Lauren Roerick is Empowering Women in the Wilderness and Teaching Us to Embrace the Journey

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Jill: Lauren inspires me because she says yes. She just goes for it. I have seen her set and accomplish so many different huge goals.

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Aransas: Welcome to the Uplifters podcast where we talk to inspiring women about how they build the courage to do big things and [00:00:45] how they take care of themselves while pursuing their dreams.

Jill Greenwood. Lauren is a [: 00:01:00

I'll be honest, I had no idea what that was until I did a little research and watched some of Lauren's amazing YouTube videos that explained the Hexatrack. And now I'm like, could I do this? So [00:01:30] Lauren, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

So did you grow up a hiker? How did this begin? Not at all,

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[00:02:00] It's where I find a lot of like peace and strength. And I like to go on day hikes and I'd done a little bit of camping. But backpacking had never been a thing until my thirties, actually. So it's only been a few years since I started, you know, really diving into this new way of living, [00:02:15] really. But yeah, so it was a long transition into getting from a day hike into, now I spend four months

Aransas: at a time on a trail.

Four months. What are some of the big tracks that you've done?

Lauren: Yeah. So my first [: 00:02:30

I'd rented some gear maybe a couple of months before just to kind of test and see like, Oh, is this really like I told everyone in my family I'm going to do this. I've like signed up, got the permit, but I should probably just test it and [00:03:00] make sure. So I rented some gear from REI and I went out into the Smoky Mountains National Forest in like, North Carolina, Tennessee area.

station and was like, um, I [: 00:03:15

And then I just drove myself out there. I put a note on my car that said like, here's what I'm supposed to be back. Please call 9 1 1 if I'm not. [00:03:30] And I just went out into the Appalachian mountains and did three nights outside and came back and felt like, okay, I didn't die. It was scary and it was hard, but I didn't die.

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Aransas: That was how it started. I get that as a marathoner because it's like I'll do the first 5k and I'm like, I'm dying. And then I'm like, all right, well, this is how many more times I have to do it.

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Lauren: Yes, absolutely. And it sounds so, I don't know, cliche or maybe like overused, but like, Oh, every journey begins with a single step or like just break [00:04:30] it down into small pieces. It sounds so simple, but like. That's the mentality you really have to adopt. Like if you're out there from day one, knowing you have five months ahead of you and you're constantly focused on that five months, it's going to feel like forever.

But realistically, it's just [: 00:04:45

Aransas: until it [00:05:00] really like starts to add up.

Right. And it's just choosing to keep going.

Lauren: Yeah. Yeah. Even when it feels like you've been in the desert forever and you're like, I'm never going to get out of this section, am I? But you can dangle eventually, you know.

Aransas: I read Wild [: 00:05:15

It is, it is the, it's Cheryl Strayed's journey of hiking the [00:05:30] PCG. I think that that's something that she really illuminates in the journey is like I made my way through this one section and then it was hooray and what does it take to tackle the next section. [00:05:45] Mm hmm. And that's something I talk to clients a lot about when they're on a growth journey.

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Lauren: I think one of the really interesting things about Doing the like high elevation things as you have to go backwards as well, you know, so you reach base camp, you set up, you get acclimated, and then you don't just like go hike to the next camp, you hike to the [00:06:30] next camp, you maybe you even set it up, but then you hike back to your base camp.

u have to be so patient. And [: 00:06:45

So there's a lot of back and forth, like you do a little and you feel like you're making progress and then you literally go backwards.

Aransas: Like all of life.

beautiful metaphor for just [: 00:07:00

You're not always like accomplishing accomplishing accomplishing like a lot of times things go wrong and you got to go backwards. And that is really the lesson that I had to learn [00:07:15] the hard way on the Pacific Crest Trail. So I, you know, I did my little bit of backpacking, I was like really gung ho, and I start the PCT in March of 2020.

And what happens in March of: 2020

And I was like, pardon me? I, what do you mean? It was only hard to find hand sanitizer when I left. Like, what has happened? And yeah, so I, I was in a little town called Warner Springs and thankfully my [00:08:00] mom lives in Southern California and I called her and I was like, what is going on? She's like, Oh yeah, things got really weird in the last two weeks.

ah, cool. Because I got this [: 00:08:15

And so my mom, I'm like, can you come pick me up maybe? So luckily she was only about a three hour drive away. She drives out and picks me up. And then, you know, what we thought was going to be like, I sit at her place for two [00:08:45] weeks and I go back out, obviously turned into something completely different.

you know, things calmed down [: 00:09:00

And so I ended up, you know, working my way south. But then I finished Washington, I finished Oregon, and then there were intense, intense fires in Southern California. And it was, it was like a mixture of pandemic [00:09:30] and forest fires and like long weekend and whatever, and whatever board is in charge of the California National Forests just said, we're closing them all.

go to jail. And I was like, [: 00:09:45

We're supposed to be living in a tent in the forest. And so [00:10:00] we all collectively decide, okay, well, Colorado has a trail. That's 500 miles long and we're not done hiking yet. And we all, you know, we all want to be doing this thing. So I think seven of us all bought flights to go. To Colorado and we all just started [00:10:15] hiking across Colorado instead.

miles across Colorado. [: 00:10:30

It was not a smooth journey. Yeah. But I think I really learned a lot about, like, going with the flow and, like, making quick decisions [00:10:45] and, like, figuring out what is, what works for me and what's best for me and just, like, dealing with adversity when you're trying to, like, accomplish, like, a huge dream that you've been working on and prepping for for so long and you feel like everything is just, like, turning against you.

ally interesting experience. [: 00:11:00

Aransas: I mean, I've said before on this show that. Someone once told me the best thing we can teach our children is that they will be disappointing and they will be disappointed. Yes. And there were so many disappointments in this. [00:11:15] Oh yeah. And I think that's so hard for us as humans.

lity. No, not at all. And so [: 00:11:30

Nope. And maybe it wasn't even perfect for Colorado. that it was possible. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it

hat's possible and pivot and [: 00:12:00

It just was its own new thing and it was beautiful and it was fun and I had a great [00:12:15] time and I got to go do that trail when all of the aspens were turning golden because it was late in the season and they would just, it turned out to be a really beautiful thing, even though it was. Not my original intention at all, or really the vision at all.

Aransas: It's [: 00:12:30

And it's like, I smell jasmine. Oh, look at that guy with the funky [00:13:00] hairdo. And like, it's an outward versus inward focus and attention that I think really shifts my pleasure versus pain ratio. [00:13:15] And it sounds like you're doing something sort of similar. Absolutely. Yeah.

the Hexa Trek, you know, the: 3000

Thankfully, you know, the weather and the universe lined up a lot better so I could do it in one go. But [00:13:30] that has its own challenges. It means that you're on the trail for four months in a row. You know, there weren't these kind of breaks in time and space to rest and recuperate. You're really just going and That is such a part of the challenge is like you get [00:13:45] up every single day knowing that you've got, you know, 30 kilometers or 20 miles or whatever to cover that day.

rrain will never get easier. [: 00:14:00

being away from my family and my [00:14:15] relationships to be doing this thing. So why would I ruin it for myself by focusing on all the parts that I hate, right? When I want to be here, I chose to be here and it doesn't make it less hard to like focus on the beauty and like [00:14:30] look at the lovely things around you.

But it makes it easier. Yeah.

onscious choosing initially, [: 00:14:45

And I, I think this point you're making about, What you've already [00:15:00] traded in order to have this experience and wasting that by not enjoying it. Mm hmm. I just love that. I'm going to think of you throughout this marathon training cycle over and over, Lauren. Oh, I love that. [00:15:15] Because that's exactly what I'm doing, right?

hank you. So you finally did [: 00:15:30

Lauren: Not entirely. No, there are still big sections of it that are just kind of left uncompleted. And at this point, you know, I used to, it used to kind of feel like an unfinished circle in the back of my brain, like, Oh, I need to close that loop or something, but at this [00:15:45] point,

Aransas: I think I've kind of made, I, I have, I've made peace with it.

So were you done with it or do you think you'd go back again?

in the world, and, you know, [: 00:16:00

So, I'm leaving it, if it calls to me at some point, I'll know when that time is. I think that takes a lot of courage too. [00:16:15] Yeah. Actually, it's funny, they just hiked across New Zealand and there's a trail there called the Te Avaroa and it's a 3000 kilometer trail as well. And I got to about, I think I did like 1700 kilometers and I decided I didn't [00:16:30] want to do it anymore.

nally don't agree with that. [: 00:16:45

You know, you spend three months out there, whatever. But I was, I was finding that I didn't feel like that trade that we talked about that trade between my time and my effort and my money and my sacrifices was not it. [00:17:00] In comparison to what I was getting from the trail. And I just felt like, I think I've gotten everything out of this, but I want to.

se I would, I'm blogging the [: 00:17:15

Was a real, I had to really kind of not reconcile with myself, but reconcile with like why [00:17:30] I was not feeling comfortable quitting. Cause I thought like, I don't actually want to be here like deep, deep down. This is not what I want to continue doing. Like I've, I've had a lot of fun and I've enjoyed it, but I I'm done.

ersonally finished with this [: 00:17:45

Oh, blah, blah, blah. You know, there's all these voices, [00:18:00] but in reality, yeah, it was just like, I don't want to be here anymore. And that's more important to me than anything else.

unity too, because actually. [: 00:18:15

Mm hmm. Uh, it can get to be too much. And so I, I often talk to uplifters about this who feel the same way. [00:18:30] We end up going past the point of learning or joy and over committing. Yeah. And I think in every example I've heard [00:18:45] about this, it has come back to the voices and the opinions of others. That's kept us somewhere.

ship or a job or an athletic [: 00:19:00

Music: Yeah.

Aransas: No. I saw a woman this week on the trail who had a shirt that said, friends don't let friends DNF.

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It's only worth it if it's worth it to you.

rs. And there's a difference [: 00:19:45

And those are two [00:20:00] very different things that I think spending so much time doing these things. Like. very difficult pursuits have really taught me how to listen to that voice and differentiate between when I'm just like, afraid or like, I'm kind of hitting my limit on struggle. And when I'm actually just saying like, No, I think I've [00:20:15] like, completed this, I've wrapped it up.

No, they're, they're two different voices. And I think in the beginning, they're difficult to differentiate between. But after spending so much time in the practice of listening to that voice, I can identify that very

which is which. That is so, [: 00:20:30

Is this about me or is it about other voices? And it's like, even if we haven't done all the work you've done, I think being able to ask ourselves that question alone and listen to our [00:20:45] instinct and answering that can be massively clarifying. I'm having that conversation with myself as we talk because I love it.

I guess, sort of my PCG. And [: 00:21:00

First time in, I think, 80 years or something they've canceled. Then I kind of lost energy for it. Yes. And I just started. Honestly, training for real to get another [00:21:30] Boston qualifying time in October. And so as you were talking, I'm like, I promise I'm listening. But I also was like, what is it, Arancis, It is 100 percent because I want to do it. Good. And I want to finish what I [00:21:45] started. Yes. And it actually has nothing to do even with my kids perception, which, you know, the like, I want to show them I finished what I started. It's not even that. I just want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. So that was helpful. Thank you.

So you just finished your time in New Zealand and You chose to stop when you were ready. What do you feel like is next for you? So I blog all

ren: of these adventures and [: 00:22:15

I edit them in my tent at night and like put them out and you know, so it's really kind of like quick and dirty getting [00:22:30] this content out there just so people can really feel what it's like to be out there with me. But I would love to do something a little bit shorter so that I carry more equipment and make it more of a creative pursuit rather than like a physical endeavor.

iking, but maybe I take it a [: 00:22:45

So that's, that's what I'm looking at [00:23:00] now. If I think in August, September, I'm, I'm I am trying to figure out which trail is the right trail, but right now what's kind of calling to me is this trail that goes across Scotland that should take like four or five weeks. Scotland's supposed to be super beautiful, and I've never been there, and I think that would be really [00:23:15] fun.

But yeah, do that as more of a building project rather than a hiking project so that I can focus more on the creative side of things.

creative desire, right? That [: 00:23:30

But is there something you're hoping people gain or learn from your experiences?

Lauren: The big part of why [: 00:23:45

I've learned so much and grown so much from doing these long trails that I would love to even pass some of that. on to other people and especially other women who want to get into this and just a don't know how to start or like don't know what that [00:24:15] looks like. Or like, is it safe for me to be out there by myself?

nside because I'm like, yes, [: 00:24:30

De stigmatize it or reduce some of the fear associated with getting out there in the wilderness. And that, for me, is a really big part of why I put it on video, uh, just to [00:24:45] help other people feel

Aransas: like, Oh, I, I could do this. Yeah. And so it is really giving hope and courage. Yeah. Yeah.

Lauren: It's very uplifting.

. Like not everyone wants to [: 00:25:00

Aransas: That's so rad. And I think this point too about not doing a ton of research is really big. I see so [00:25:30] many people, especially women. Get stalled out by feeling not ready. Yes. And the truth is we're never gonna feel ready for anything, but we have to take action anyway. Yeah. And so what is that balance [00:25:45] for you?

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So it's a high snow year this year. Maybe I'll just push it off one year. [00:26:15] Yeah, that's the big one is just setting a hard deadline for yourself to hold yourself accountable because it's so easy to just go down the rabbit hole of research and just be like, Oh, I'm not ready or there's still more to learn or I need to know something else.

packing trip just to sort of [: 00:26:30

And I designed a route that like, if [00:26:45] I needed to, I could walk back to my car, you know, in half a day or a day or whatever, you know, I picked a route where there should be other people. I'm, you know, unlikely to get injured, but if I did, someone would find me, you know, and so I baby [00:27:00] steps, but also, yeah, again, you're only going to learn, really learn through action.

And so you just have to kind of pull off the bandaid and do something, do a little

don't know until you do it. [: 00:27:15

Lauren: That's exactly it. Like, especially on trails, like, you're so at the mercy of nature. You can't predict everything. I couldn't predict that I was going to spend a week in thunderstorms.

degree weather. Like, [: 00:27:30

Aransas: I loved what you said earlier about nature's not going to start caring about you.

It's not. Yeah. [: 00:27:45

Lauren: And, you know, sometimes that means You get rained out and you sit in your tent for a whole day. And like, that's not the best, you know, it's not the best way. I'd [00:28:15] love to spend my time, but it's just what you have to do. And I think it really teaches you to be flexible and yes, you have a plan. And yes, maybe you have a number of miles you want to cover and maybe you've got a timeline, but like nature doesn't have a timeline.

o do what she's going to do. [: 00:28:30

Aransas: I have learned through my own running life, too, that the more stress and worry I, my mind puts [00:28:45] into my body. The less I am capable of physically and mentally.

Lauren: Yeah. It's so true. It really just saps your energy. I, yeah.

can focus on beauty and the [: 00:29:00

Lauren: Absolutely.

Aransas: And I am so much more physically able than I would be otherwise.

Definitely. So how [: 00:29:15

Lauren: It's a difficult balance sometimes because it is. Like you really want to keep going, you know, there's a bit of a, [00:29:30] you know, you're not in a race, like there's no deadline necessarily, but like there, there's internal and maybe even external pressure to like keep going and, you know, maybe not lose the people that you've been hiking with or whatever, but there's, there's definitely those pressures, but I [00:29:45] think the more I do it, the more in tune with my body I am, and I just, like, I have to just, you know, Take stock of where everything is.

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I think also like, There's this idea that, oh, because you're outside and you're in nature, you always have to be enjoying the nature. It's like, sometimes that's a lot. And I would like [00:30:30] to just sit in my tent and watch something dumb on my phone and forget that I'm in nature.

Aransas: It's so, so, so interesting that you say that.

eve about change. And again, [: 00:30:45

And sometimes they are that counterintuitive. I mean, the world says nature is good, right? And it is. It is. [00:31:15] And sometimes a little of the opposite can be restorative and the same with like alone time versus together time. And so I do think there's something so exciting and powerful just about that, that as a framework [00:31:30] for how we think about keeping ourselves energized.

So I hear in there that you are allowing yourself to rest and restore instead of judging. that need for restoration? Yeah. So I read a book many,

Lauren: [: 00:31:45

And she's like, No, I have full days where all I do is play video games. I sit on the couch and I do [00:32:00] nothing. And no one is allowed to touch that time because as a professional athlete, rest is part of the protocol. And that's always stuck with me. Because when I'm out there, like I, for me, it sounds silly, but like I am an endurance athlete while I'm out there, like, and rest is part of the [00:32:15] protocol and you have to rest your body doesn't recover when it's always in motion and you can't build strength if you're always in motion.

And so, you know, eating a bunch of food and laying on a couch all day is part of the protocol and it's

Aransas: necessary [: 00:32:30

Lauren: all the way through.

it's so hard for us to self [: 00:32:45

But the truth is every person who is an entrepreneur, who is a parent, who is doing any big thing, And [00:33:00] so I think that lesson actually applies to all of us to say that rest and restoration are vital to continuing the journey. Absolutely. Yeah. But also owning our capabilities and [00:33:15] accomplishments and naming them, I think it's really hard to say that sometimes.

ore than a long walk. It's a [: 00:33:30

Aransas: May we all practice that and call each other out when we see each other wavering on it and just say like, hey, outside in, I already see you there.

I would never question that. [: 00:33:45

Lauren: it's such a hard one to do. I talk about that with my sister all the time because I, I've been doing a handful of these podcasts. I'm, you know, getting my videos out there and whatever. And I sometimes struggle with this idea of like, well, it [00:34:00] can't be that big of a deal because I did it and I'm not special.

guess that's, that's really [: 00:34:15

Like it's a big undertaking.

though. It can be something [: 00:34:30

That's it. You're it. That's what it looks like. Right. One of our very first guests, Rachel Lipson, and I'll paraphrase on this, but I think of her words all the time. She said, everybody has ideas, entrepreneurs are the ones who do [00:35:00] something with them. Yeah. That's so true. Everybody has the capability to do amazing physical feats, whatever that means for their body.

right? We think like, well, [: 00:35:15

You've had thousands of hours alone [00:35:30] to think about life. Mm hmm. Is there anything else you want uplifters to know? That you've learned along the way. Ooh, yeah. Thousands of hours alone. That's so true.

ot of time in your head. But [: 00:35:45

And I think that's really the best way to connect with it is time in solitude, which I differentiate from. Being alone or [00:36:00] loneliness, I think they're very different things, but I do get that question a lot. Like, oh, don't you feel lonely? I'm like, no, I just feel. Like there's solitude and then there's loneliness.

so much, I don't feel alone. [: 00:36:15

Really, and they're [00:36:30] calling and whatever they really want to do is spending time in undistracted solitude, right away from phones away from internet away from other people to, yeah, kind of dig into that because it's kind of uncomfortable to be in solitude, especially in the beginning. [00:36:45] It's definitely one of those things that you have to practice for that to become comfortable.

So yeah, I guess that, that would maybe be something I would say to practice being in solitude so you can connect with that part of yourself.

in that in terms of the how [: 00:37:00

Absolutely. But the loneliness is an investment. in gaining [00:37:15] a sense of self and tapping into that intuition. Yeah, I like that. An investment. Yeah. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you for modeling what it looks like to keep going. [00:37:30] And to keep trying big scary things and to stop doing the big scary thing when it's not what you want anymore.

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So thank you for creating this and sharing them with us.

Lauren: Thank you very much for chatting with me. This was so wonderful. I really appreciate your time.

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